Stop unwanted telemarketing!
12-01-2005, 08:19 PM
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Originally posted by Prolifik:
i used to do this for a long time and it works like this; your home number is normally aquired straight from the phone book, your business number is aquired the exact same way but from a business directory. it is given that u have your business number is listed somewhere, maybe yellow pages or your local business directory publication......all the B2B telemarketing places get your number from there. either that or u just put that number down on some form or application?? perhaps when u were applying for some business related load, etc??? when u do that you are providing written concent to be contacted, its the biggest loophole ever. you are also given the concent for your information to be sold and passed around.
Most big companies like the ones u listed (CIBC, TD, FORD) outsource their telemarketing efforts to some medium to large sized telemarketing or 'market research' companies, let's call it Yuli's Research Inc.
When a company like CIBC contacts Yuli's Research Inc it will provide Yuli with the record of its customers and numbers to call (your business number included from like 6 years ago when u first applied for a business loan). These records are kept by Yuli's Research Inc in, what is called, Bucket's. Buckets are a category specific data base. So CIBC would fall under a Financial Category/Bucket. Your number stays with Yuli's Inc in that bucket for years!! Then say TD outsource Yuli to do some telemarketing a few month later. Say Yuli calls people but the results are less than desirable (Yuli gets paid from TD per each customer aquisition).....guess what Yuli is going to do now??? Thats right, he's going to start calling people from that financial bucket when he runs out of poeple to call from the list provided by TD. This is why u are getting calls from all these finance related insitutions. Probably same thing with ford, could be that they had a campaign about their low cost financing.....guess who Yuli is going to call about that too? Yep, u again.
Some places also use random number generators. With those all we have to do is input an area code and it would keep generating numbers none stop. This way you are also bound to catch alot of cell phone numbers. This could also be the reason why u get spam calls on your cell. They are not avoidable, however, the probability of occurance is alot lower.....for now anyways.
i used to do this for a long time and it works like this; your home number is normally aquired straight from the phone book, your business number is aquired the exact same way but from a business directory. it is given that u have your business number is listed somewhere, maybe yellow pages or your local business directory publication......all the B2B telemarketing places get your number from there. either that or u just put that number down on some form or application?? perhaps when u were applying for some business related load, etc??? when u do that you are providing written concent to be contacted, its the biggest loophole ever. you are also given the concent for your information to be sold and passed around.
Most big companies like the ones u listed (CIBC, TD, FORD) outsource their telemarketing efforts to some medium to large sized telemarketing or 'market research' companies, let's call it Yuli's Research Inc.
When a company like CIBC contacts Yuli's Research Inc it will provide Yuli with the record of its customers and numbers to call (your business number included from like 6 years ago when u first applied for a business loan). These records are kept by Yuli's Research Inc in, what is called, Bucket's. Buckets are a category specific data base. So CIBC would fall under a Financial Category/Bucket. Your number stays with Yuli's Inc in that bucket for years!! Then say TD outsource Yuli to do some telemarketing a few month later. Say Yuli calls people but the results are less than desirable (Yuli gets paid from TD per each customer aquisition).....guess what Yuli is going to do now??? Thats right, he's going to start calling people from that financial bucket when he runs out of poeple to call from the list provided by TD. This is why u are getting calls from all these finance related insitutions. Probably same thing with ford, could be that they had a campaign about their low cost financing.....guess who Yuli is going to call about that too? Yep, u again.
Some places also use random number generators. With those all we have to do is input an area code and it would keep generating numbers none stop. This way you are also bound to catch alot of cell phone numbers. This could also be the reason why u get spam calls on your cell. They are not avoidable, however, the probability of occurance is alot lower.....for now anyways.
1) Telemarketing companies do not flip through yellow pages or directories. They purchase lists from dedicated companies who buy and sell different marketing lists. Most lists are comprised from Credit Card companies (usually placed like Captial One, Citibank etc.). If you read any privacy policy from any major bank in Canada (CIBC, Royal Bank, TD etc) it will say that all information given to the bank is held within the bank and it is not shared with any outside companies.
2) Most major banks in Canada, including CIBC do not outsource to outside telemarketing companies. That is mostly done again by credit card companies (Amex being a big one). I know for a fact all of CIBC's call centers are in house centers. This includes CIBC Visa. I am pretty sure TD, Royal Bank and BMO are the same way.
Banks are legislated in Canada by some pretty heavy telemarketing laws that they have to abide by or face very heavy fines.
3) It is illegal by Canadian law to do any "cold calling" by any major Canadian bank. This was passed in the late 90's. The only time you will be called by a bank in Canada is if a) you have current business with them, or b) you had previous business with them.
4) Number generators are highly illegal in Canada for at least 10 years.
Yuli, it was a nice little speach you had going there. Too bad it was 95% false info. Thanks for coming out. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
12-01-2005, 11:41 PM
#22
i agree with u that the laws are there yet people get calls from some sort of financial institution out of the blue, why u think that happens. like the person who mentioned all those banks and otherwise financial organizations right in this post.
banks do out source telemarketing. i have called people on behalf of banks.
and they do infact flip thur the phone books depending on the size of the company ofcourse. big ones do have the customer database which is provided by the client and often times that database gets recycled, thats called the Run Of Network inventory.
i will take your word on CIBC having an inhouse call center, however, there are many large, well known companies who outsource or contract that activity and are on CPA (thats Cost Per Aquisition) basis with the company they contract.
this is the model that i am familiar with.
[ December 02, 2005, 12:45 AM: Message edited by: Prolifik ]
banks do out source telemarketing. i have called people on behalf of banks.
and they do infact flip thur the phone books depending on the size of the company ofcourse. big ones do have the customer database which is provided by the client and often times that database gets recycled, thats called the Run Of Network inventory.
i will take your word on CIBC having an inhouse call center, however, there are many large, well known companies who outsource or contract that activity and are on CPA (thats Cost Per Aquisition) basis with the company they contract.
this is the model that i am familiar with.
[ December 02, 2005, 12:45 AM: Message edited by: Prolifik ]
12-03-2005, 06:48 PM
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1) Telemarketing companies do not flip through yellow pages or directories. They purchase lists from dedicated companies who buy and sell different marketing lists. Most lists are comprised from Credit Card companies (usually placed like Captial One, Citibank etc.). If you read any privacy policy from any major bank in Canada (CIBC, Royal Bank, TD etc) it will say that all information given to the bank is held within the bank and it is not shared with any outside companies.
That's just abit off as well, I worked for a company who literally flipped through a phone book for numbers..I for one didn't have to be the poor sap to do this part of a job I had the numbers then handed to me and I cold called everyone... It was the ****tiest *** job in the world....
That's just abit off as well, I worked for a company who literally flipped through a phone book for numbers..I for one didn't have to be the poor sap to do this part of a job I had the numbers then handed to me and I cold called everyone... It was the ****tiest *** job in the world....
12-04-2005, 12:59 AM
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It was about 4 years ago... They would call people saying there doing a survey then they could "win" a computer or tv etc etc... Then they would pass it off to us to "confirm" some information for the draw then try and suck them into a 5 year deal for 5 magazine....As far as I Know they still do it now...
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