The Sarnia Gestopo
12-05-2005, 02:35 PM
#31
there is a very thick line between talking the talk and walking the walk. and visa versa. most ppl that do the talking never do the walking, and those who do the walking most of the time dont speak of it.
being in a rental car in a parking lot in your own neighbourhood after hours can get your head slammed into the hood of a cruiser regardless of how u look i had come to find out the hard way.
i saw my own tax dollar go down the drain as the back up consisting of 5 cruisers and about 8 officers tore my rental apart in hope of finding stolen goods (they said i looked like i was into B&E) while my head was making some solid contact with the hood of the popo mobile. after they found nothing, obviously, i asked the cop who was the first at the scene why he acted the way he did and what was the reason for his actions. Right there in front of other officers he said that im not in the position to ask questions and told me i better 'beat it'. None of the cops said anything, they indicated that I, infact, better leave and fast. To server and protect!
being in a rental car in a parking lot in your own neighbourhood after hours can get your head slammed into the hood of a cruiser regardless of how u look i had come to find out the hard way.
i saw my own tax dollar go down the drain as the back up consisting of 5 cruisers and about 8 officers tore my rental apart in hope of finding stolen goods (they said i looked like i was into B&E) while my head was making some solid contact with the hood of the popo mobile. after they found nothing, obviously, i asked the cop who was the first at the scene why he acted the way he did and what was the reason for his actions. Right there in front of other officers he said that im not in the position to ask questions and told me i better 'beat it'. None of the cops said anything, they indicated that I, infact, better leave and fast. To server and protect!
12-05-2005, 03:00 PM
#32
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To Haunz, why does your sister dress like a Goth? Because she wants people to think she is a Goth. I am not saying this is the case with your sister but why are people surprised when others lump them in with others that they are trying to be like?
When one dresses like a Goth, others are going to assume they hang out with and act like others that dress that way. It's like this girl I knew who was offended when a guy commented on her navel piercing. If you don't want people looking at it, don't draw attention to it.
AS for you Yuli, the average citizen doesn't just sit around in parking lots for extended periods of time. I wasn't there, maybe you said something that madde the cops want to 'teach' you some manners. I have a friend who was pulled over because his car matched a description of another one the police were looking for. INstead of being courteous, he starts saying how the cops are abusing their power and he doesn't need to show any ID because he didn't do anything, how do you think the pokice treated him? As a law abiding citezen, or as someone who may or not have something to hide, who is making their job difficult?
When one dresses like a Goth, others are going to assume they hang out with and act like others that dress that way. It's like this girl I knew who was offended when a guy commented on her navel piercing. If you don't want people looking at it, don't draw attention to it.
AS for you Yuli, the average citizen doesn't just sit around in parking lots for extended periods of time. I wasn't there, maybe you said something that madde the cops want to 'teach' you some manners. I have a friend who was pulled over because his car matched a description of another one the police were looking for. INstead of being courteous, he starts saying how the cops are abusing their power and he doesn't need to show any ID because he didn't do anything, how do you think the pokice treated him? As a law abiding citezen, or as someone who may or not have something to hide, who is making their job difficult?
12-05-2005, 03:11 PM
#33
yah i was in a rental vehicle that was their grounds. i provided all the papers for the vehicle including the receipt. i was in the parking lot b/c i was picking up my girl who jogs around the park at times, it was cold that nite so i went to pick her up.
one cop that was there first ran my drivers license and noticed that i have a vehicle thats registered in my name. he then proceeded to probe be and asking me what i have to hide and why im ridding around in a rental and he quickly mentioned that i am probably into B&E. He called up back and the rest i already wrote.
maybe, just maybe, i have bad luck with cops. but this other time i ran a stop sign and got pulled over. it was a very bad stop sight violation on a 4way stop. i basically cut off a cop that was at the intersection first. i was very wrong. so they pulled me over, which was totally fine and i was ready to get a ticket. 2 officers, one approached my side as the other one stood in my right side blind spot with his weapon drawn.....this was like 4 years ago when Toronto wasnt even that bad.
[ December 05, 2005, 04:17 PM: Message edited by: Prolifik ]
one cop that was there first ran my drivers license and noticed that i have a vehicle thats registered in my name. he then proceeded to probe be and asking me what i have to hide and why im ridding around in a rental and he quickly mentioned that i am probably into B&E. He called up back and the rest i already wrote.
maybe, just maybe, i have bad luck with cops. but this other time i ran a stop sign and got pulled over. it was a very bad stop sight violation on a 4way stop. i basically cut off a cop that was at the intersection first. i was very wrong. so they pulled me over, which was totally fine and i was ready to get a ticket. 2 officers, one approached my side as the other one stood in my right side blind spot with his weapon drawn.....this was like 4 years ago when Toronto wasnt even that bad.
[ December 05, 2005, 04:17 PM: Message edited by: Prolifik ]
12-05-2005, 03:12 PM
#34
I have 3 friends taken out of their vehicle at gunpoint at the main intersection here in town. They were not guilty of anything except being in a vehicle that matched the description of a vehicle used in a violent robbery. So should the officer have walked up to the window and calmly asked them for their license and registration?
Yuli, Dereck has a point, if you are sitting in a parked rental car in a parking lot after hours, you have already done something to attract attention to yourself. Again instead of taking the why did it happen to me attitude towards it, try and think from the officers point of view. Is this abnormal for the area, is there a reason for this vehicle to be there, are there a rash of thefts in the area, is there stolen cars in the area that are used to commit those offences in the area, is the person behind those offences wanted for a possible violent crime. Your tax dollars worked, they worked as the police came and investigated something that was not of the norm. While the manner in which the investigation may be less than comfortable, you just can't win all of them.
Imagine if that had not been you in that car but some young girl being held there against her will. Would you then be so critical of the way the officer handled the response? The officer had no idea as to what to expect so he draws upon his training and available resources to ensure the safety of all parties.
I am not a small person at 5'11 and 220lbs. I can guarantee you that a smaller police officer, even two or more would easily have their hands full with someone of my size if I chose to become violent. I would fully expect to have some degree of restraint placed upon me by multiple police officers if I was found in the situation that you were in. I would allow them to do their job and be respectfull at the same time. You unfortunately have no way of knowing if the member that is dealing with you first just came from a mva where a guy your age was street racing and plowed into a school bus killing 6 kids, do you think that he is going to be a little one-sided, I do.
Yuli, Dereck has a point, if you are sitting in a parked rental car in a parking lot after hours, you have already done something to attract attention to yourself. Again instead of taking the why did it happen to me attitude towards it, try and think from the officers point of view. Is this abnormal for the area, is there a reason for this vehicle to be there, are there a rash of thefts in the area, is there stolen cars in the area that are used to commit those offences in the area, is the person behind those offences wanted for a possible violent crime. Your tax dollars worked, they worked as the police came and investigated something that was not of the norm. While the manner in which the investigation may be less than comfortable, you just can't win all of them.
Imagine if that had not been you in that car but some young girl being held there against her will. Would you then be so critical of the way the officer handled the response? The officer had no idea as to what to expect so he draws upon his training and available resources to ensure the safety of all parties.
I am not a small person at 5'11 and 220lbs. I can guarantee you that a smaller police officer, even two or more would easily have their hands full with someone of my size if I chose to become violent. I would fully expect to have some degree of restraint placed upon me by multiple police officers if I was found in the situation that you were in. I would allow them to do their job and be respectfull at the same time. You unfortunately have no way of knowing if the member that is dealing with you first just came from a mva where a guy your age was street racing and plowed into a school bus killing 6 kids, do you think that he is going to be a little one-sided, I do.
12-05-2005, 03:21 PM
#35
as i said in the other post. i was picking up my girl from her jog at the park. i mentioned this to the cops, my face still ended up on the cruiser.
and yes, I am 6'3 and 240lbs but it's not like i was being violent or even rude! he just asked me to step out of the vehicle like it was all good, then i got cuffed and laid on the hood as they searched the vehicle for 'stolen property'.
there was no girl being raped in the car. the car did not match any descriptions and the park closes at 11 pm.
i love it when cops say 'there are alot of b&e in the area'.....my azz buddy, there is alot of b&e in every area in the GTA. Or when they say 'cars get stolen around here', yah guess what?? cars get stolen in mongolia too.
i have ran into MANY situations where it did not matter how u talk to the cop, u still get the treatment in the end. i show them as much respect as they show me when they approach me, end of story.
Toronto police are the best. I have seen profiling, descrimination, and flat out racism. Meanwhile Toronto is getting more and more violent with all the idiots with guns, our dedicated police force is busy giving out jaywalking tickets.
[ December 05, 2005, 04:32 PM: Message edited by: Prolifik ]
and yes, I am 6'3 and 240lbs but it's not like i was being violent or even rude! he just asked me to step out of the vehicle like it was all good, then i got cuffed and laid on the hood as they searched the vehicle for 'stolen property'.
there was no girl being raped in the car. the car did not match any descriptions and the park closes at 11 pm.
i love it when cops say 'there are alot of b&e in the area'.....my azz buddy, there is alot of b&e in every area in the GTA. Or when they say 'cars get stolen around here', yah guess what?? cars get stolen in mongolia too.
i have ran into MANY situations where it did not matter how u talk to the cop, u still get the treatment in the end. i show them as much respect as they show me when they approach me, end of story.
Toronto police are the best. I have seen profiling, descrimination, and flat out racism. Meanwhile Toronto is getting more and more violent with all the idiots with guns, our dedicated police force is busy giving out jaywalking tickets.
[ December 05, 2005, 04:32 PM: Message edited by: Prolifik ]
12-05-2005, 04:46 PM
#37
I cant believe what I just read... MR pull your head out of the ground man... they didn't just kick in the door and tell everyone to freeze... they ruffed everyone up, some badly, and shot the friggn dog!
I suppose if a swat team of cops kicked in your door, broke your arm, kicked you in the face, and pointed loaded automatic weapons at your freinds/familly you would be OK with it... so long as they 'thought' they were doing there job...
(I suppose if they accidently killed someone in the process that would be OK too)
All this about 'drawing' attention... its a free bloody country... if I want to go for a walk through a public parking lot at whatever time day or night, I should be able to do so without playing 20 questions or being subject to a search unless there is a good reason for it....
Yes the cops have every right to stop you and ask your name and what you are up to... but obviously you have never talked to a cop who was being a complete either....
DW.. how exactly do 'people who dress like goths' behave ???? Just because someone dresses in black cloths, has tattoos, and piercings does not mean they should be treated any differently then anyone else...
Or maybe you belive anyone who fits that description must be a criminal
Bottom line is that the cops seriously jumped the gun and sent a swat team in on a bunch of 19/20 something kids just hanging out... then proceded to beat them and shoot an animal.. awsome..
I can MAYBE see a warrant being issued on the word of two idiots.... but the fact that MACHINE GUNS AND SKI MASKS were used, the violence involved... well.. that scares me and I definatly do not think that is right...
My sis has no previous record with the police, BTW..
[ December 05, 2005, 05:51 PM: Message edited by: Haunz ]
I suppose if a swat team of cops kicked in your door, broke your arm, kicked you in the face, and pointed loaded automatic weapons at your freinds/familly you would be OK with it... so long as they 'thought' they were doing there job...
(I suppose if they accidently killed someone in the process that would be OK too)All this about 'drawing' attention... its a free bloody country... if I want to go for a walk through a public parking lot at whatever time day or night, I should be able to do so without playing 20 questions or being subject to a search unless there is a good reason for it....
Yes the cops have every right to stop you and ask your name and what you are up to... but obviously you have never talked to a cop who was being a complete either....
DW.. how exactly do 'people who dress like goths' behave ???? Just because someone dresses in black cloths, has tattoos, and piercings does not mean they should be treated any differently then anyone else...
Or maybe you belive anyone who fits that description must be a criminal
Bottom line is that the cops seriously jumped the gun and sent a swat team in on a bunch of 19/20 something kids just hanging out... then proceded to beat them and shoot an animal.. awsome..
I can MAYBE see a warrant being issued on the word of two idiots.... but the fact that MACHINE GUNS AND SKI MASKS were used, the violence involved... well.. that scares me and I definatly do not think that is right...
My sis has no previous record with the police, BTW..
[ December 05, 2005, 05:51 PM: Message edited by: Haunz ]
12-05-2005, 04:58 PM
#38
Originally posted by Hardwrkr:
Is she single? And where are said peircings?
Is she single? And where are said peircings?
Shes got em in her ears, nose, lips, toung... beyond that I don't want to know but thanks for asking...
12-05-2005, 05:31 PM
#40
Haunz, consider this little fact. I would not have put myself in that position in the first place.... so yes if I had indeed done what was said, I would have expected to have suffered the consequences of my actions. As far as shooting a unrestrained dog, if the dog had viscous intent, how is a unrestrained dog any different that a person brandishing a knife? While I am all for animals in general, I side with officer and public safety first.
The officers treat every single instance like this the exact same way for tried and true reasons. Again, they have no idea who is on the other side of the door. Is it a drugged up addict with a loaded 12 gauge or a pile of kids sitting around a computer jerkin off to **** after smokin a big fat one. I don't care which it is, the people in the house did something to garner this type of response and boohoo if you don't agree with it because it is your sister or her friends.
The day that my sister ever cracked out or started to hang out with people of dubious backgrounds is the day that I would cut ties with my sister. She makes her bed, she sleeps in it, yet she is still my sister and I do not make her decisions.
What if that house had a meth induced rager behind the door who had a machete and started swinging, was the police officer supposed to knock nice on the door and ask for his nice co-operation? Give your head a shake dude. The officers don't just arbitrarily knock down doors based on circumstancial evidence. They have policies and procedures to follow when it comes to a situation like this. If they did not they would have broken into the nieghbours house as well.
Haunz, take your sister out of the picture and view it again dude. Enter the what if's as that is exactly what every police officer must consider. As you were not there and I was not there, there are many pertintent details that all parties are not priveledged to know. I can only imagine what the response of the investigating officer would be if he read this. He might have to wait until the file is closed and then receive persmission to post their side of the story, but rest assured it would create a much different story for all to peice together.
At my age, I have talked to more than my share of police officers and have dealt with more than my share of officers who did not like me as much as I did not like them. Did I feel that they were wrong, yup. Was I in trouble over anything, nope. Did I create the situation, nope. Wrong place, wrong time, wrong people = me in the middle of it and a whole crapload of really upset police officers who were more than happy to let us no that they were not dicking around.
A police officers training is not something to be scoffed at either. The chance of a accidental killing by a highly trained swat officer is lower than dogcrap on a sidewalk. If someone was killed, they did not heed numberous warning to comply with a demand. They were a danger to others. A police officer is trained to kill in this event not look at the guy and say "he looks like a nice guy, maybe I'll just shoot him in the arm instead". Deadly force is part of the job, if you and others cannot wrap your head around that, too bad.
It's good to hear that your sister does not have a record at all, perhaps this will teach her to choose her friends more wisely. No one likes to have something like this happen to them at all. It happened because of reasons beyond your sister's control. It happened because someone chose to break the law and provide the law with the opportunity to do something about it. If you do not agree with the way it is done, perhaps you should be the first person through the door the next time a swat team moves in on a house and see it from their perspective.
The officers treat every single instance like this the exact same way for tried and true reasons. Again, they have no idea who is on the other side of the door. Is it a drugged up addict with a loaded 12 gauge or a pile of kids sitting around a computer jerkin off to **** after smokin a big fat one. I don't care which it is, the people in the house did something to garner this type of response and boohoo if you don't agree with it because it is your sister or her friends.
The day that my sister ever cracked out or started to hang out with people of dubious backgrounds is the day that I would cut ties with my sister. She makes her bed, she sleeps in it, yet she is still my sister and I do not make her decisions.
What if that house had a meth induced rager behind the door who had a machete and started swinging, was the police officer supposed to knock nice on the door and ask for his nice co-operation? Give your head a shake dude. The officers don't just arbitrarily knock down doors based on circumstancial evidence. They have policies and procedures to follow when it comes to a situation like this. If they did not they would have broken into the nieghbours house as well.
Haunz, take your sister out of the picture and view it again dude. Enter the what if's as that is exactly what every police officer must consider. As you were not there and I was not there, there are many pertintent details that all parties are not priveledged to know. I can only imagine what the response of the investigating officer would be if he read this. He might have to wait until the file is closed and then receive persmission to post their side of the story, but rest assured it would create a much different story for all to peice together.
At my age, I have talked to more than my share of police officers and have dealt with more than my share of officers who did not like me as much as I did not like them. Did I feel that they were wrong, yup. Was I in trouble over anything, nope. Did I create the situation, nope. Wrong place, wrong time, wrong people = me in the middle of it and a whole crapload of really upset police officers who were more than happy to let us no that they were not dicking around.
A police officers training is not something to be scoffed at either. The chance of a accidental killing by a highly trained swat officer is lower than dogcrap on a sidewalk. If someone was killed, they did not heed numberous warning to comply with a demand. They were a danger to others. A police officer is trained to kill in this event not look at the guy and say "he looks like a nice guy, maybe I'll just shoot him in the arm instead". Deadly force is part of the job, if you and others cannot wrap your head around that, too bad.
It's good to hear that your sister does not have a record at all, perhaps this will teach her to choose her friends more wisely. No one likes to have something like this happen to them at all. It happened because of reasons beyond your sister's control. It happened because someone chose to break the law and provide the law with the opportunity to do something about it. If you do not agree with the way it is done, perhaps you should be the first person through the door the next time a swat team moves in on a house and see it from their perspective.
