Ontario Street Racing Law rules unconstitutional but tickets are still coming
11-24-2009, 01:04 PM
#41
And if the idiot in the fast lane is doing 70 for a reason? Or do you just assume he is a idiot for doing 70 in the fast lane? You Mat are the inconsiderate driver here who knowingly has rushed up on someone and not realized that they may be in medical distress, have just blown a tire, ball bounced out on the road in front of them, they hit black ice, any number of issues. All you are concerned about is your right to drive fast and that the person ahead of you is in your way.
it doesnt really matter what the reason is for someone traveling well above or below the speed limit. the fact remains that either one is very dangerous to the rest of the people using the same road/lane.
however, jail is only for those who go faster, but not for the ones who go slower? while either one could have a reason for going at the rate of speed that they are.
In southern ontario it is very common to see someone drive well below the speed limit, almost as frequent as seeing someone flying way past the same speed limit. It is not our roads or our cars, it is our demographic. This place is full of 75+ y/o seniors who thinnk the road belongs to them and they can drive as slow as they like, and we have just as many 25 and under y/o who think the same, but they drive as fast as they like.
Last edited by Father Yuli; 11-24-2009 at 01:07 PM.
11-24-2009, 01:31 PM
#42
dangerous or not, more people die from going to fast than from going to slow. i agree someone going 70 in the fast lane is a hazard...but for everycar i see doing that i see 10 more doing 140+, and if those pushing the limit were driving properly, they would have no problem reacting to hazards.
trial after sentence is not right, no dispute there.
i don't really care if it is a money grab or not, the bottom line is that the law is saving lives and whether people agree with it or not its their own fault if they decide to be a dumbass as drive 50+.
trial after sentence is not right, no dispute there.
i don't really care if it is a money grab or not, the bottom line is that the law is saving lives and whether people agree with it or not its their own fault if they decide to be a dumbass as drive 50+.
11-24-2009, 02:12 PM
#43
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Jail before trial, not right, agreed. 50+ over or 50+ under can also be hazardous, regardless of the reasons, hence why it is illegal to stop on the freeway (unless there is an accident, mechanical issues, or you've been pulled over) and why it's 40km/hr in a school zone during school hours. But all of the examples given so far really don't prove anything. Everyone's just playing the "what if?" game. Bottom line is that doing time before your trail is unconstitutional, absolutely. Having your vehicle impounded as a result of doing 50+, realistic. If someone is driving with a suspended licence, the vehicle is impounded until that person can prove otherwise, so it's the same situation. That's no different if you are driving intoxicated. I disagree with taking "someone's property" as being the wrong move. Part of the problem can be solved just by talking to the cop that pulls you over, but it is the real world, and some cops do have a permanent chip on their shoulder and will through the book at you whether you like it or not. That's where the trail comes in. The only adjustment they need to make to this law is that the trail needs to be before the jail time. A suspension of the licence for 48 hrs, car impound for the same amount of time, and a pending trail set at a given date. That makes sense to me. You pay your fine, you pay your impound fee(s), you find a ride for two days, you learn your lesson. If you don't have a valid reason for doing 50+, you do your time, and you REALLY learn your lesson. Personally, I think a trail should be reserved for second time offenders, but hey, what do I know?
11-24-2009, 03:26 PM
#45
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And if the idiot in the fast lane is doing 70 for a reason? Or do you just assume he is a idiot for doing 70 in the fast lane? You Mat are the inconsiderate driver here who knowingly has rushed up on someone and not realized that they may be in medical distress, have just blown a tire, ball bounced out on the road in front of them, they hit black ice, any number of issues. All you are concerned about is your right to drive fast and that the person ahead of you is in your way.
well mr point fingers, they are idiots, i can show u any day of the week where this happens constantly.
between markham rd and kennedy rd on the 401 in the collectors.
the chineese drivers merge into the fast lane doing between 40-70km/h and DO NOT look, signal or speed up.
i will be driving along and one will come out in front of me and i have to slam on my brakes to avoid an accident..THIS IS UNSAFE DRIVING AT LOW SPEEDS..but im probably being inconsiderate for not hitting them.
this has been happening all SUMMER on the 400 series highway, so ur probably right, they probably are hitting black ice while trying to avoid a bouncing ball with a blown tire awhile being in medical distress, every day of the week.
i guess its one of those things where u have to see it to believe it...i don't know, i don't care, just offering my point of view.
11-24-2009, 03:39 PM
#46
well mr point fingers, they are idiots, i can show u any day of the week where this happens constantly.
between markham rd and kennedy rd on the 401 in the collectors.
the chineese drivers merge into the fast lane doing between 40-70km/h and DO NOT look, signal or speed up.
i will be driving along and one will come out in front of me and i have to slam on my brakes to avoid an accident..THIS IS UNSAFE DRIVING AT LOW SPEEDS..but im probably being inconsiderate for not hitting them.
this has been happening all SUMMER on the 400 series highway, so ur probably right, they probably are hitting black ice while trying to avoid a bouncing ball with a blown tire awhile being in medical distress, every day of the week.
i guess its one of those things where u have to see it to believe it...i don't know, i don't care, just offering my point of view.
between markham rd and kennedy rd on the 401 in the collectors.
the chineese drivers merge into the fast lane doing between 40-70km/h and DO NOT look, signal or speed up.
i will be driving along and one will come out in front of me and i have to slam on my brakes to avoid an accident..THIS IS UNSAFE DRIVING AT LOW SPEEDS..but im probably being inconsiderate for not hitting them.
this has been happening all SUMMER on the 400 series highway, so ur probably right, they probably are hitting black ice while trying to avoid a bouncing ball with a blown tire awhile being in medical distress, every day of the week.
i guess its one of those things where u have to see it to believe it...i don't know, i don't care, just offering my point of view.
11-25-2009, 10:05 PM
#47
hahahahaahah I did not want to go there with chinese drivers but what you said there can not be any more true. Anywhere in the center or east end of GTA you are bound to have your brakes tested by asian drivers. Richmond Hill, Markham, Scarborough. It's like no signaling or speeding up is required when merging or changing lanes on the highway in those areas hahahahahahahaha.
The east is too dangerous.It will be worse for me next year when I get my Camaro back on the road....must remember to not go fast and only use one bottle of NAWS
12-01-2009, 05:45 AM
#48
If sticking to the point then yes this law is b.s. You DO have a right to a fair trial in Canada. If anyone has actually studied Canadian law then you will know exactly where Yuli is coming from. If you didn't, then that means you listen to too much gossip at the local coffee shop and what the media says. If we were to stick to the original post make by Yuli then none of you would be actually making the comments that you are making but then we are only human and we let our emotions get the best of us. It is very hard to be objective when it comes to raw human emotions. Me personnally I do speed yes. When I have my family in the car, definitely not. By myself yes. Do I go over 50kms, no. Either way, it doesn't matter cause I'll get busted anyway. Whether its 10kms or 50kms. One thing for sure though, if I'm racing home or to the hospital doing over 50kms cause one of my little princess's were injured and that happened to me you can bet your *** that I'm going to fight it all the way to the supreme court of canada if I have to because according to the law, It is against the canadian charter of rights and freedoms to deny me the right to a fair trial!!! Don't let your emotions get the best of you otherwise it will impair your ability to be unbiased or objective to any matter in everyday life.
