Ontario Street Racing Law rules unconstitutional but tickets are still coming
11-23-2009, 07:00 PM
#31
There is no dispute that speed kills, there is no dispute that as speed increases stopping time increases and ability to react decreases. Does this make you more dangerous as a driver, definitely. If the person in care and control of their vehicle is doing under the posted limit, they are permitted to do so unless it is otherwise posted (and is posted according to the MVA - we have the signs that say vehicles incapable of "X" km/h are not permitted on freeway). Are you saying that a person driving a implement of husbandry is more dangerous due to their low speed? Or are you saying that you as the impatient driver in care and control of your vehicle are the problem when you get frustrated and no longer care about the rules of the road when you pull up behind the farmer in his tractor (also known as a implement of husbandry).
11-23-2009, 09:37 PM
#33
500 Watt CAFz'r
Join Date: Dec 2000
Posts: 952
Speed does NOT kill. It's the sudden stop that will do it every time though.
Laws are there to keep idiots from asking why can't I drive 300km/h on a side street.
Racing can be construed as any speed in excess of the posted limit.
Did you know you can also get a fine for impeding the flow of traffic?
By turning the ignition on, and shifting into a drive gear, you become responsible for every pedestrian and driver on the road, including your passengers, and yes, yourself too.
And I also agree, this is a pointless debate.
Laws are there to keep idiots from asking why can't I drive 300km/h on a side street.
Racing can be construed as any speed in excess of the posted limit.
Did you know you can also get a fine for impeding the flow of traffic?
By turning the ignition on, and shifting into a drive gear, you become responsible for every pedestrian and driver on the road, including your passengers, and yes, yourself too.
And I also agree, this is a pointless debate.
11-23-2009, 10:37 PM
#35
There is no dispute that speed kills, there is no dispute that as speed increases stopping time increases and ability to react decreases. Does this make you more dangerous as a driver, definitely. If the person in care and control of their vehicle is doing under the posted limit, they are permitted to do so unless it is otherwise posted (and is posted according to the MVA - we have the signs that say vehicles incapable of "X" km/h are not permitted on freeway). Are you saying that a person driving a implement of husbandry is more dangerous due to their low speed? Or are you saying that you as the impatient driver in care and control of your vehicle are the problem when you get frustrated and no longer care about the rules of the road when you pull up behind the farmer in his tractor (also known as a implement of husbandry).
we dont have signs that say "vehicles incapable of "X" km/h are not permitted on freeway" either.
do i see people going way under the speed limit? ALL THE TIME.
people seem to be missing the point here. there are speeding laws/fines/suspensions that are already in place and have been in place forever. No one is arguing with that. But the "street racing" law in particular is a ghay one.
11-23-2009, 10:40 PM
#36
Speed does NOT kill. It's the sudden stop that will do it every time though.
Laws are there to keep idiots from asking why can't I drive 300km/h on a side street.
Racing can be construed as any speed in excess of the posted limit.
Did you know you can also get a fine for impeding the flow of traffic?
By turning the ignition on, and shifting into a drive gear, you become responsible for every pedestrian and driver on the road, including your passengers, and yes, yourself too.
And I also agree, this is a pointless debate.
Laws are there to keep idiots from asking why can't I drive 300km/h on a side street.
Racing can be construed as any speed in excess of the posted limit.
Did you know you can also get a fine for impeding the flow of traffic?
By turning the ignition on, and shifting into a drive gear, you become responsible for every pedestrian and driver on the road, including your passengers, and yes, yourself too.
And I also agree, this is a pointless debate.
try reading next time.
11-24-2009, 12:24 AM
#37
Guest
Posts: n/a
im gonna agree that slow speeds are dangerous as well, i cant even tell u how many times ive been flying(figure of speech) down the highway, doin 110-115km/h and come up behind some idiot doing bellow 70km/h in the fast lane with no one in front of him.
That is just blatantly dangerous.
also the street racing law is very vague, a friend of mine got booked for street facing, he was doing 40km/h in a 60 (just coming off a light) and he popped up the back end of his truck a bit(air ride) and got charged under the street racing law, big fine, impounded and licence suspended.
i agree that people traveling well in excess of the speed limit should be punished, even with jail time. But as yuli has been trying to get across, we are entitled to a fair trial.
hell, even murderers get a trial, but speeding u shouldnt?
That is just blatantly dangerous.
also the street racing law is very vague, a friend of mine got booked for street facing, he was doing 40km/h in a 60 (just coming off a light) and he popped up the back end of his truck a bit(air ride) and got charged under the street racing law, big fine, impounded and licence suspended.
i agree that people traveling well in excess of the speed limit should be punished, even with jail time. But as yuli has been trying to get across, we are entitled to a fair trial.
hell, even murderers get a trial, but speeding u shouldnt?
11-24-2009, 12:48 PM
#39
And if the idiot in the fast lane is doing 70 for a reason? Or do you just assume he is a idiot for doing 70 in the fast lane? You Mat are the inconsiderate driver here who knowingly has rushed up on someone and not realized that they may be in medical distress, have just blown a tire, ball bounced out on the road in front of them, they hit black ice, any number of issues. All you are concerned about is your right to drive fast and that the person ahead of you is in your way.
11-24-2009, 12:58 PM
#40
0 Watt CAFz'r
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 5
ive read this whole thread....WOW
its pretty sad when the majority of people in this thread dont believe they have rights! To recieve sentance/penalty first then trial later is rediculous, How many cops give fines to people just because they dont like them?
I personally have been given fines by a pariticular cop repeatedly who was obviously singling me out. His charges didnt stand in court because because i could disprove him everytime.
If i couldnt go to court and fight my case then i would be screwed for my car, job, and savings because i would have to pay before i defend myself
I Agree, the street racing law is just another violation of human rights and essentially just a money grab fuelled by big insurance influences.
its pretty sad when the majority of people in this thread dont believe they have rights! To recieve sentance/penalty first then trial later is rediculous, How many cops give fines to people just because they dont like them?
I personally have been given fines by a pariticular cop repeatedly who was obviously singling me out. His charges didnt stand in court because because i could disprove him everytime.
If i couldnt go to court and fight my case then i would be screwed for my car, job, and savings because i would have to pay before i defend myself
I Agree, the street racing law is just another violation of human rights and essentially just a money grab fuelled by big insurance influences.
