Gm Engineering sucks A$$
#11
Originally posted by soLoRed:
Maybe your inner fender some how got moved when you hit the curb? GM did do what they could, if its a known problem, then its a simple call back, that they cant really do about.. Oh well just your luck.
Oh the paper wont do anything, it will just stick out saying 1 car did this.
Oh this is the first time I have ever head this... And its also a cavi.. Just buy new tires.
-db
Maybe your inner fender some how got moved when you hit the curb? GM did do what they could, if its a known problem, then its a simple call back, that they cant really do about.. Oh well just your luck.
Oh the paper wont do anything, it will just stick out saying 1 car did this.
Oh this is the first time I have ever head this... And its also a cavi.. Just buy new tires.
-db
#13
Originally posted by ChizzerZ24:
As for SoleRed, "Just buy new tires" that would accomplish what? lol... brand new wear lol
As for SoleRed, "Just buy new tires" that would accomplish what? lol... brand new wear lol
#14
Originally posted by Jmac:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Hardwrkr:
I have a 2000 Sunfire GT. I replaced the factory 205/50/16 tires with 225/45/16.
These are a good deal wider and with the extra width they should be around the same height and I have no rubbing whatsoever.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Hardwrkr:
I have a 2000 Sunfire GT. I replaced the factory 205/50/16 tires with 225/45/16.
These are a good deal wider and with the extra width they should be around the same height and I have no rubbing whatsoever.
Tire height (in mm) = 2*(width*aspect) + 25.4*diameter
H1 = 2*(205*0.5) + 25.4*16
H1 = 611.4 mm
H2 = 2*225*0.45 + 25.4*16
H2 = 608.9 mm
H1 is taller than H2 by 2.5 mm </font>[/QUOTE]My point is that many people use different sizes of tires on these cars with no problems that I have heard of. It seems odd that there is a known problem to GM with the factory tire rubbing.
Since you felt the need to point out that the aftermarket tire is indeed a whole 2.5mm taller
Jmac, you are correct.
Here is a hero cookie for you. Good job. [img]graemlins/jack.gif[/img]
ChizzerZ24, have you been able to determine what the tire is rubbing on?
#15
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yeah is the tire rubbing on a control arm or something or is it hitting the plastic fender liner under copmression (when you hit a big bump or croner real hard)
we got a buch of awd astro vans up here the ones with the "big" tires, 215's I think, if you hit the bumps too hard the tires rub on the wheel well liner, same thing happens on the brand new full size awd chevy express van we got too
the astro's with the little or regular tires, 205 I think, they don't rub in the wheel wells. the oil pan just contacts with the pavement and gets a big hole punched in it dropping all of it's oil in about 3 seconds
apperantly GM doesn't know what bump stops are
we got a buch of awd astro vans up here the ones with the "big" tires, 215's I think, if you hit the bumps too hard the tires rub on the wheel well liner, same thing happens on the brand new full size awd chevy express van we got too
the astro's with the little or regular tires, 205 I think, they don't rub in the wheel wells. the oil pan just contacts with the pavement and gets a big hole punched in it dropping all of it's oil in about 3 seconds
apperantly GM doesn't know what bump stops are
#16
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The problem as I see it is that GM is saying that they know there is a rubbing problem, but they aren't saying they know how to fix it.
The real problem is that GM can manage to build cars that all seem to fall within tolerance specs but still have examples with problems like clearance issues.
At GM, Quality is Job None.
[ September 02, 2004, 02:54 PM: Message edited by: Dukk ]
The real problem is that GM can manage to build cars that all seem to fall within tolerance specs but still have examples with problems like clearance issues.
At GM, Quality is Job None.
[ September 02, 2004, 02:54 PM: Message edited by: Dukk ]
#18
Originally posted by Hardwrkr:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jmac:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Hardwrkr:
I have a 2000 Sunfire GT. I replaced the factory 205/50/16 tires with 225/45/16.
These are a good deal wider and with the extra width they should be around the same height and I have no rubbing whatsoever.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jmac:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Hardwrkr:
I have a 2000 Sunfire GT. I replaced the factory 205/50/16 tires with 225/45/16.
These are a good deal wider and with the extra width they should be around the same height and I have no rubbing whatsoever.
Tire height (in mm) = 2*(width*aspect) + 25.4*diameter
H1 = 2*(205*0.5) + 25.4*16
H1 = 611.4 mm
H2 = 2*225*0.45 + 25.4*16
H2 = 608.9 mm
H1 is taller than H2 by 2.5 mm </font>[/QUOTE]My point is that many people use different sizes of tires on these cars with no problems that I have heard of. It seems odd that there is a known problem to GM with the factory tire rubbing.
Since you felt the need to point out that the aftermarket tire is indeed a whole 2.5mm taller
Jmac, you are correct.
Here is a hero cookie for you. Good job. [img]graemlins/jack.gif[/img]
ChizzerZ24, have you been able to determine what the tire is rubbing on? </font>[/QUOTE]H1 = Stock, H2 = Replacement ... The stock tires were 2.5 mm taller
#19
Originally posted by Hardwrkr:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jmac:
Well other than saying the same thing three times ...
Tire height (in mm) = 2*(width*aspect) + 25.4*diameter
H1 = 2*(205*0.5) + 25.4*16
H1 = 611.4 mm
H2 = 2*225*0.45 + 25.4*16
H2 = 608.9 mm
H1 is taller than H2 by 2.5 mm </font>
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jmac:
Originally posted by Hardwrkr:
I have a 2000 Sunfire GT. I replaced the factory 205/50/16 tires with 225/45/16.
These are a good deal wider and with the extra width they should be around the same height and I have no rubbing whatsoever.
I have a 2000 Sunfire GT. I replaced the factory 205/50/16 tires with 225/45/16.
These are a good deal wider and with the extra width they should be around the same height and I have no rubbing whatsoever.
Tire height (in mm) = 2*(width*aspect) + 25.4*diameter
H1 = 2*(205*0.5) + 25.4*16
H1 = 611.4 mm
H2 = 2*225*0.45 + 25.4*16
H2 = 608.9 mm
H1 is taller than H2 by 2.5 mm </font>
Since you felt the need to point out that the aftermarket tire is indeed a whole 2.5mm taller
Jmac, you are correct.
Here is a hero cookie for you. Good job. [img]graemlins/jack.gif[/img]
ChizzerZ24, have you been able to determine what the tire is rubbing on? [/QUOTE
Yeah the inner wheel well, essentially if you look at the top of the engine and where the engine mount is think of roughly in that area in the wheel well/fender and towards the front of the car by few inches.
#20
Originally posted by dodgeram:
yeah is the tire rubbing on a control arm or something or is it hitting the plastic fender liner under copmression (when you hit a big bump or croner real hard)
we got a buch of awd astro vans up here the ones with the "big" tires, 215's I think, if you hit the bumps too hard the tires rub on the wheel well liner, same thing happens on the brand new full size awd chevy express van we got too
the astro's with the little or regular tires, 205 I think, they don't rub in the wheel wells. the oil pan just contacts with the pavement and gets a big hole punched in it dropping all of it's oil in about 3 seconds
apperantly GM doesn't know what bump stops are
yeah is the tire rubbing on a control arm or something or is it hitting the plastic fender liner under copmression (when you hit a big bump or croner real hard)
we got a buch of awd astro vans up here the ones with the "big" tires, 215's I think, if you hit the bumps too hard the tires rub on the wheel well liner, same thing happens on the brand new full size awd chevy express van we got too
the astro's with the little or regular tires, 205 I think, they don't rub in the wheel wells. the oil pan just contacts with the pavement and gets a big hole punched in it dropping all of it's oil in about 3 seconds
apperantly GM doesn't know what bump stops are