Dog related (more specifically APBT's)......
10-22-2005, 08:25 PM
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I am not sure about banning whole breeds, and I have tried time and time again to think beyond the stereotypes when it comes to Pit Bulls, and other variants of the breed. Unfortunately, it would seem that although they may not be an evil breed as some people make them out to be, they seem to have a track record of being unpredictable. I have seen this in my buddy's dog, and the news stories just keep popping up again and again. I don't like to believe everything I see and hear, but I have found when around certain dogs, not just PB's, that some dogs are just unpredictable, and seem very skittish. Our neighbours were dogsitting a cattle dog recently (blue heeler/pitbull cross), I felt the same way about it. Gilligan, not trying to spout the same BS here, just sharing my experience with it.
10-22-2005, 09:43 PM
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Thanks man.
That article was just another black eye for pitbulls IMO.
Good read (long but worth it IMO)....
This was passed around on a email list we subscribe to. Thought it was "food for thought" even though it talks about Golden retrievers. It may be a good read for those people interested in buying ANY breed of dog, and want to know what to research, especially if for more than a pet.
WHO CARES.....
The litter was bred to be just pets. The breeder made sure the sire and dam had their hip and eye clearances, but she really didn't know about their littermates, their sires, their dams, their grandparents, etc. She really didn't care; these pups were to be pets only. The breeder just knew her female was beautiful and the sire always got lots of compliments from his vet. But the breeder had never bothered to show the dogs to see if they really measured up to the breed standard or not. To see if anyone else in the world thought they were beautiful too. She didn't care; these pups were just to be pets.
The breeder was sure the sire and dam were very smart and trainable and had good temperaments. But she didn't care enough to prove it to the rest of the world by earning a basic level obedience title, or even a Canine Good Citizen certificate on either. They were only pets. The breeder thought these pups would make terrific hunting dogs; so she told the buyer who came looking for a hunting companion. She just knew the sire and dam would have been good hunting dogs. Of course, they had no hunting experience, no hunting titles, not even a Working Certificate. She didn't care; their puppies were only to be pets. Her buyer walked away in disgust... HE wanted MORE than just a pet. HE wanted a good hunting companion.
The breeder didn't care... Her puppies were JUST to be pets, no more.... The buyers came and bought their pets. They didn't care that the breeder didn't know the full health background behind their puppy...it was JUST a pet. They didn't care if the sire or dam met the breed standard or not. They didn't care that their puppy might NOT grow up to look like a breed standard golden retriever....it was just a pet. They didn't care that the temperament and trainability of the sire and dam were unproven...their puppy was just a pet and they were SURE it would be sweet and good with kids because ALL goldens are, RIGHT?
They didn't CARE... It was JUST a pet... Until it came up lame at 8 months of age and the vet said severe hip dysplasia, expensive surgery needed. Until they found they could NOT control the puppy and they couldn't seem to train it. Until the puppy BIT the baby and it took 20 stitches at the hospital to close the wound. Then they CARED...enough to promptly dump the puppy at the nearest animal shelter. Maybe someone else will care enough to fix the problems. Maybe someone else will care enough to give the puppy a hug before he is put to sleep FOREVER. The breeder didn't care, she had another litter just born that were just pets.
WHO CARES? Don't people buying a puppy for a pet have a right to a puppy that is healthy and has the BEST possible chances of staying healthy for its entire life? Don't they have a right to a puppy that will grow up to LOOK like a golden retriever? Don't they have a right to a puppy that WILL have a good temperament and be easily trained? Don't they have a right to a puppy that is a RETRIEVER in addition to a GOLDEN? HOW can a breeder ensure that her dogs will have all these traits if she doesn't TEST them? Would you REALLY want a puppy from a breeder who doesn't CARE? What chances does that puppy really have if its breeder doesn't care that much and is willing to settle for 'just pets?' Would you want someone BUYING a puppy when they DON'T CARE? What chance does that puppy have if the buyer right from the start doesn't really care about what they are buying?
The rescues, shelters and *landfills* in this country are FULL of 'just pets.' Some of us CARE! Do you?
(Copyright 1997 Anne V. McGuire. May be reprinted and distributed in its entirety only, whole and unedited, for educational purposes ONLY and free of charge)
That article was just another black eye for pitbulls IMO.
Good read (long but worth it IMO)....
This was passed around on a email list we subscribe to. Thought it was "food for thought" even though it talks about Golden retrievers. It may be a good read for those people interested in buying ANY breed of dog, and want to know what to research, especially if for more than a pet.
WHO CARES.....
The litter was bred to be just pets. The breeder made sure the sire and dam had their hip and eye clearances, but she really didn't know about their littermates, their sires, their dams, their grandparents, etc. She really didn't care; these pups were to be pets only. The breeder just knew her female was beautiful and the sire always got lots of compliments from his vet. But the breeder had never bothered to show the dogs to see if they really measured up to the breed standard or not. To see if anyone else in the world thought they were beautiful too. She didn't care; these pups were just to be pets.
The breeder was sure the sire and dam were very smart and trainable and had good temperaments. But she didn't care enough to prove it to the rest of the world by earning a basic level obedience title, or even a Canine Good Citizen certificate on either. They were only pets. The breeder thought these pups would make terrific hunting dogs; so she told the buyer who came looking for a hunting companion. She just knew the sire and dam would have been good hunting dogs. Of course, they had no hunting experience, no hunting titles, not even a Working Certificate. She didn't care; their puppies were only to be pets. Her buyer walked away in disgust... HE wanted MORE than just a pet. HE wanted a good hunting companion.
The breeder didn't care... Her puppies were JUST to be pets, no more.... The buyers came and bought their pets. They didn't care that the breeder didn't know the full health background behind their puppy...it was JUST a pet. They didn't care if the sire or dam met the breed standard or not. They didn't care that their puppy might NOT grow up to look like a breed standard golden retriever....it was just a pet. They didn't care that the temperament and trainability of the sire and dam were unproven...their puppy was just a pet and they were SURE it would be sweet and good with kids because ALL goldens are, RIGHT?
They didn't CARE... It was JUST a pet... Until it came up lame at 8 months of age and the vet said severe hip dysplasia, expensive surgery needed. Until they found they could NOT control the puppy and they couldn't seem to train it. Until the puppy BIT the baby and it took 20 stitches at the hospital to close the wound. Then they CARED...enough to promptly dump the puppy at the nearest animal shelter. Maybe someone else will care enough to fix the problems. Maybe someone else will care enough to give the puppy a hug before he is put to sleep FOREVER. The breeder didn't care, she had another litter just born that were just pets.
WHO CARES? Don't people buying a puppy for a pet have a right to a puppy that is healthy and has the BEST possible chances of staying healthy for its entire life? Don't they have a right to a puppy that will grow up to LOOK like a golden retriever? Don't they have a right to a puppy that WILL have a good temperament and be easily trained? Don't they have a right to a puppy that is a RETRIEVER in addition to a GOLDEN? HOW can a breeder ensure that her dogs will have all these traits if she doesn't TEST them? Would you REALLY want a puppy from a breeder who doesn't CARE? What chances does that puppy really have if its breeder doesn't care that much and is willing to settle for 'just pets?' Would you want someone BUYING a puppy when they DON'T CARE? What chance does that puppy have if the buyer right from the start doesn't really care about what they are buying?
The rescues, shelters and *landfills* in this country are FULL of 'just pets.' Some of us CARE! Do you?
(Copyright 1997 Anne V. McGuire. May be reprinted and distributed in its entirety only, whole and unedited, for educational purposes ONLY and free of charge)
10-22-2005, 09:45 PM
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Originally posted by defro13:
i didnt say a thing about banning the breed, and like i said before, im not too sure that that solves the problem. i agree that owners need to take responsibility for themselves and their dogs
i didnt say a thing about banning the breed, and like i said before, im not too sure that that solves the problem. i agree that owners need to take responsibility for themselves and their dogs
10-23-2005, 08:22 AM
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^^ That email raises some valid points, people definitely need to take the time to research their dogs before they buy, and also do some research into the breeder. Some breeders gain a bad reputation for careless practices.....
[ October 23, 2005, 09:22 AM: Message edited by: 2 8's AKA Jeepbeats ]
[ October 23, 2005, 09:22 AM: Message edited by: 2 8's AKA Jeepbeats ]
10-23-2005, 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by 2 8's AKA Jeepbeats:
^^ That email raises some valid points, people definitely need to take the time to research their dogs before they buy, and also do some research into the breeder. Some breeders gain a bad reputation for careless practices.....
^^ That email raises some valid points, people definitely need to take the time to research their dogs before they buy, and also do some research into the breeder. Some breeders gain a bad reputation for careless practices.....
We will not breed dogs until they have surpassed anything mentioned in that email. We are at this current time not working with them or planning any up coming breedings, but will be resuming ASAP.
In case you guys are wondering why I'm a nutcase when it comes to these posts. It's because I am very passionate about bully breeds for reasons I've mentioned before, and I hope I am educating at least a little bit some people on this board.
Hope everyone is having a good weekend, I'm feeling kind of ill myself. [img]graemlins/beer.gif[/img] LOL [img]graemlins/puke.gif[/img]
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