reasonable quote?
03-09-2011, 08:55 AM
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Also thinking the same thing. Also once you add a sub and box in your trunk that extra 4 pounds or whatever from better deadener isn't gonna make the slightest difference. Hell my sub and box alone is a good 75 pounds or so
03-09-2011, 10:09 AM
#42
Use the B-Quiet, I highly recommend it as well and I sold the most of it on Vancouver Island when I was in the business. As far as Madam Mckays goes, I do not know the installer there so I cannot comment (but I have trained 3 of their installers in past years, all of which are still employed by them). Audison makes darn good wire. If it is knock off line of it, that uses CCA for the wire, then I would stay well away. Scosche EFX makes a solid 4 gauge amp wiring kit. Good to hear that you are taking care of the gong and better to hear that you are not going to Ken. As far as weight goes, if you are racing this vehicle on a track primarily, then you have no need for a stereo. If you are staying on a road and want tunes primarily, throw the weight and your fat friends who mooch rides out the window.
03-09-2011, 11:03 AM
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i used it and to tell u it does not smell.. i was supprised myself. even drivong around in +30 temp with the door skin open it didnt smell.. works good and u get lots
03-09-2011, 07:39 PM
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MR2NR, the installer at McKay's is Cam (don't know his last name yet), by the sounds of things, he's done a lot, and I mean a lot, of car audio installs over the years here in Victoria.
Anyhow, what are your thoughts on the thickness / weight of B-Quiet compared to Ballistic's stuff? Have you ever tried Ballistic?
Seems to me that the Ballistic stuff is heavy enough that, should I get the installer to use the amount you all are suggesting, somewhere around 12 sqft per door, it'd be adding ~10lbs per door. That's a lot of weight compared to using B-Quiet @ 4.5lbs per door.
Please, forgive my newbiness here... if you apply a few smaller pieces of denser deadener to one panel, and cover the other identical panel with less dense deadener, but the exact same weight overall, won't the panel with complete coverage feel more solid ? or does the increased mass of the smaller pieces perform the same function?
Maybe i'm asking this question the wrong way, lol, feel free to smack me.
And no, I will not be adding a 75lb sub & box combo. ... lol.... IF i do add a sub, it would likely be a fiberglass enclosure, found here that weights less than 13lbs, and a sub similar to this Hertz ES250D that weighs in around 9lbs. 22lb's total.
Anyhow, what are your thoughts on the thickness / weight of B-Quiet compared to Ballistic's stuff? Have you ever tried Ballistic?
Seems to me that the Ballistic stuff is heavy enough that, should I get the installer to use the amount you all are suggesting, somewhere around 12 sqft per door, it'd be adding ~10lbs per door. That's a lot of weight compared to using B-Quiet @ 4.5lbs per door.
Please, forgive my newbiness here... if you apply a few smaller pieces of denser deadener to one panel, and cover the other identical panel with less dense deadener, but the exact same weight overall, won't the panel with complete coverage feel more solid ? or does the increased mass of the smaller pieces perform the same function?
Maybe i'm asking this question the wrong way, lol, feel free to smack me.
And no, I will not be adding a 75lb sub & box combo. ... lol.... IF i do add a sub, it would likely be a fiberglass enclosure, found here that weights less than 13lbs, and a sub similar to this Hertz ES250D that weighs in around 9lbs. 22lb's total.
03-09-2011, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by csemoses
if you apply a few smaller pieces of denser deadener to one panel, and cover the other identical panel with less dense deadener, but the exact same weight overall, won't the panel with complete coverage feel more solid ? or does the increased mass of the smaller pieces perform the same function?
03-09-2011, 08:19 PM
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to all those that say that 4sqft isnt nearly enough to cover the inside of a door...
Front door is 30” x 21” = 630 sq inches or 4.375 sqft
24" x 24" = 576 sq inches or 4.00 sqft
so uh, the installer isnt on crack at all. 4sqft will cover the inside of the door more or less. I'm guessing the slack there is from just how far out to the edges you can apply the stuff vs how I measured from the exterior of the interior panel.
You're all right, in all reality I should get him to use more.. But triple that amount? Maybe if he was using a product that is half as thick, and had to ad another layer or two...
Unless my numbers are wrong here (please, feel free to correct me) I think i'll stick with the Ballistic. I will ask him to apply some to the actual door panels (gongs! lol) as mentioned by MR2NR, and I'll be sure to post back here on how it feels / sounds.
I do believe he'll be taking a few photos too, so maybe i'll post em up for your perusal.
Front door is 30” x 21” = 630 sq inches or 4.375 sqft
24" x 24" = 576 sq inches or 4.00 sqft
so uh, the installer isnt on crack at all. 4sqft will cover the inside of the door more or less. I'm guessing the slack there is from just how far out to the edges you can apply the stuff vs how I measured from the exterior of the interior panel.
You're all right, in all reality I should get him to use more.. But triple that amount? Maybe if he was using a product that is half as thick, and had to ad another layer or two...
Unless my numbers are wrong here (please, feel free to correct me) I think i'll stick with the Ballistic. I will ask him to apply some to the actual door panels (gongs! lol) as mentioned by MR2NR, and I'll be sure to post back here on how it feels / sounds.
I do believe he'll be taking a few photos too, so maybe i'll post em up for your perusal.
03-09-2011, 08:41 PM
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It isnt that simple to say the heavier the sound deadener is, the better. It comes down to the material its constructed with and how that reacts to vibrations. Since you have a performance car, I don't see why you would want heavier deadener to put in your car.
When people (on here) talk about putting sound deadener in a door, they mean both skins not just he outer skin. Doing this makes the door like an enclosure giving better you a better result. 12ft^2 could be alot for a door, but extra is always good. You'll find spots later that you will want to add deadener to. You can save your self money here and apply the deadener your self. The hardest part is taking the door panel off. After that just clean the surface your going to apply the deadener too (btw b-quiet is very forgiving if you don't clean it that well) then apply the deadener.
When people (on here) talk about putting sound deadener in a door, they mean both skins not just he outer skin. Doing this makes the door like an enclosure giving better you a better result. 12ft^2 could be alot for a door, but extra is always good. You'll find spots later that you will want to add deadener to. You can save your self money here and apply the deadener your self. The hardest part is taking the door panel off. After that just clean the surface your going to apply the deadener too (btw b-quiet is very forgiving if you don't clean it that well) then apply the deadener.
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03-10-2011, 11:14 AM
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Madam McKays sells this product as it is a product they can purchase through an existing wholesaler (read that as it increases their back end profits). Buy the B-Quiet as recommended and have it installed. I do not know Cam at all but if you want another opinion on the materials, call Brendumdum (aka dumdum aka Frodo aka Brendan) in the Campbell River store and ask him his personal preference and tell him I (Rob) told you to ask him. If there is one thing that Brendan and I did, we deadened 10x more vehicles than the competitor that he now works at.
The gong.... go knock on the outside of your door right now and have a listen to it. Once you have deadened that panel it will go thud and you will feel it in your knuckle as well.
The gong.... go knock on the outside of your door right now and have a listen to it. Once you have deadened that panel it will go thud and you will feel it in your knuckle as well.
