Looking for different location to mount tweeter (Pics included)
12-15-2010, 09:52 AM
#21
The first thing to do is to get yourself a 4 channel amp the has x-over settings that can help to manipulate your tweeter sound. Deck power with passive x-overs are going to sound like the tweeters are made out of tin.
T/A is a final step to increase your staging. Get your quality working first. Try to find an amp worth at least $500.00 to do the job. You don't have to buy a new one, but don't cheap out on this. The MTX for $129 at FS will not cut it.
T/A is a final step to increase your staging. Get your quality working first. Try to find an amp worth at least $500.00 to do the job. You don't have to buy a new one, but don't cheap out on this. The MTX for $129 at FS will not cut it.
12-15-2010, 02:58 PM
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The first thing to do is to get yourself a 4 channel amp the has x-over settings that can help to manipulate your tweeter sound. Deck power with passive x-overs are going to sound like the tweeters are made out of tin.
T/A is a final step to increase your staging. Get your quality working first. Try to find an amp worth at least $500.00 to do the job. You don't have to buy a new one, but don't cheap out on this. The MTX for $129 at FS will not cut it.
T/A is a final step to increase your staging. Get your quality working first. Try to find an amp worth at least $500.00 to do the job. You don't have to buy a new one, but don't cheap out on this. The MTX for $129 at FS will not cut it.
I plan on running 100watts to them and they are 120watts RMS.
12-15-2010, 03:23 PM
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thats the whole idea of time alignment. because the speakers aren't on the same axis and at equal distance, the sound will not be reaching you simultaneously.
time alignment allows you to do this, specifically for cases where the tweeters are mounting far from the mids.
im not sure what kind of eq that 5030 has, but once you find your preferred tweeter positioning you can tweak it that last little bit if you have prnounced sibilance or harshness
....time alignment is useless if you are running passive however. only good if the speakers are bi-amped or active.
time alignment allows you to do this, specifically for cases where the tweeters are mounting far from the mids.
im not sure what kind of eq that 5030 has, but once you find your preferred tweeter positioning you can tweak it that last little bit if you have prnounced sibilance or harshness
....time alignment is useless if you are running passive however. only good if the speakers are bi-amped or active.
12-15-2010, 03:48 PM
#25
well it depends if the passives can be bi amped.
if you are running passive, how do you plan on delaying the tweeters differently than the mids? you will simply be delaying both as a whole.
if your passives allow bi-amping however, which most high end passives do, it will allow you to still use the crossovers, except have control over individual gains and time delays for each speaker involved.
if you have enough amplifier channels to run bi-amped and have flexible crossovers on your deck/amp/processor, you may as well just go active anyways and call it a day.
something can be gained however if the tweeters were very close to the mids and you are simply trying to achieve left/right delay balance .......... but thats not the case with you.
if you are running passive, how do you plan on delaying the tweeters differently than the mids? you will simply be delaying both as a whole.
if your passives allow bi-amping however, which most high end passives do, it will allow you to still use the crossovers, except have control over individual gains and time delays for each speaker involved.
if you have enough amplifier channels to run bi-amped and have flexible crossovers on your deck/amp/processor, you may as well just go active anyways and call it a day.
something can be gained however if the tweeters were very close to the mids and you are simply trying to achieve left/right delay balance .......... but thats not the case with you.
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12-15-2010, 03:57 PM
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well it depends if the passives can be bi amped.
if you are running passive, how do you plan on delaying the tweeters differently than the mids? you will simply be delaying both as a whole.
if your passives allow bi-amping however, which most high end passives do, it will allow you to still use the crossovers, except have control over individual gains and time delays for each speaker involved.
if you have enough amplifier channels to run bi-amped and have flexible crossovers on your deck/amp/processor, you may as well just go active anyways and call it a day.
something can be gained however if the tweeters were very close to the mids and you are simply trying to achieve left/right delay balance .......... but thats not the case with you.
if you are running passive, how do you plan on delaying the tweeters differently than the mids? you will simply be delaying both as a whole.
if your passives allow bi-amping however, which most high end passives do, it will allow you to still use the crossovers, except have control over individual gains and time delays for each speaker involved.
if you have enough amplifier channels to run bi-amped and have flexible crossovers on your deck/amp/processor, you may as well just go active anyways and call it a day.
something can be gained however if the tweeters were very close to the mids and you are simply trying to achieve left/right delay balance .......... but thats not the case with you.
http://www.morelhifi.com/support/pdf..._2-way_5_6.pdf
12-15-2010, 05:19 PM
#28
Try the A-Pillars again but this time aim them at each other, basically off axis. If you are running these off deck power and through a passive network there's usually a +3dB/0dB/-3dB on the passive network, this should help to keep your ears from bleeding. Better yet, buy some Q forms or build kicks and put the mids and tweeters there.
12-15-2010, 05:48 PM
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Try the A-Pillars again but this time aim them at each other, basically off axis. If you are running these off deck power and through a passive network there's usually a +3dB/0dB/-3dB on the passive network, this should help to keep your ears from bleeding. Better yet, buy some Q forms or build kicks and put the mids and tweeters there.
I can surface mount in the 'A' Pillars but I will need to order the brackets for them, The installer stole them and denied it...
I actually emailed Morel about buying some spare parts and they never replied, I emailed them a few times
12-15-2010, 07:15 PM
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... that should do it
the 5030 sounds OK, I competed SQ at the highest level using HU power on my Eclipse 7100 mostly to make a point that it can be done and be better than one would expect (and let me tell you it did make the competition nervous though it was non-optimum)
... TA is a good tool for making an imperfect installation closer to a good installation. Going active makes the use of TA easier and adds $$$$$ I don't think this is your plan from other threads. I currently have a mixed active and passive 3 way front stage and I successfully use TA as it should be used.
The goal really needs to be to put the speakers in the best possible location FIRST then use electronic band aids to get the optimum setup (this is true for active, passive, TA or not)
The goal really needs to be to put the speakers in the best possible location FIRST then use electronic band aids to get the optimum setup (this is true for active, passive, TA or not)
