dogbaker

To the Moderators: With the consent of the member that sent me this PM, I have pasted his comments, making them available for your consideration.

Hi Dogbaker,

I think some of the people who are interested in your thread may have been put off by the amount of irrelevant non-sense that some of the other member have posted. I think all of those members (non-sense posters) will go out of their way to vote on your poll to get you to leave while the people who will enjoy your thread might not get around to voting. It's too bad really.

I voted and hope you continue but I'm sending this message in case you leave. Perhaps there is another forum or blog where you will carry on, if so please let me know. I'm happy to learn about the difference between amp classes other than efficiency and how to find a realistic ampacity draws from my alt. etc. and to get a better understanding of the complete picture.

If you leave and continue else where, keep me in the loop if possible.

Thanks.

goalie 35

in a home theatre set up, yes because all the variables are taken into account, plus you can move speakers or the seating position at will, where as in car audio, as you may know, our vehicles are not ideal, glass, carpet, vynil, plastic, objects in the way, ect. so just grabbing the worlds best speakers and throwing them into a car wont work.. and for us sq people sounding good isent good enough, it has to have depth image bang on and have a tremendous sound stage.. now at my shop i due hrs of listning with the martin logan electrostatic speakers off a sony dvd player and a yamaha.dspz7 amp. the system images perfect but only when i sit dead centre.. if i move at all so does the image...
due this for me, move your couch dead centre of you home theatre speakers. listen. now move your couch to the left and about 2 feet closer so you are directly infront of the left speaker.. what kind of imaging are you getting now? not good i will assume.. now place a thin sheet over your speakers and listen.. humm again not good. but we somehow in a car make it work and rival the worlds best home theatre setups.. car audio is more about science then home audio ever will be, so please show some respect for those of us who care to try and recreate what home theatre can so easily do.

Diem

Not at all.
I've already said that I didn't.

Stop presuming and posting that I do.
It makes you look afraid of me, and desperate to try and attack me.

I've given technical reasons why all your expounding on technical knowledge is moot, in the acoustic environment of a car cabin.

Pretending those limitations aren't real, is amusing, and misleading.
Perhaps you're delusional, and you believe your fantasies about my emotions are actually reality.

Why in the world would I be anything but amused by your rambling?

Then you're not nearly as knowledgable about acoustics as you would like everyone to believe.

Thanks for making a few things about yourself, become even more clear...

Diem

Can you provide any links to any articles that prove your claim?
How is that possible?

You can't even shoot a proper response in a car cabin.

dogbaker

Wow, you sound so original!

I’ve only heard such comments what, a few dozen times, what makes you think you can achieve a different response from me then that of others before you?

I will deal with you after the 'Poll'...

Actually I'll do it now, because after the poll I may be leaving and if I staying, I will be placing all that have clearly demonstrated their unwillingness to participate as objective adults, on IGNOR.

I have been talking about electrical and electro-mechanical considerations, in a ratio of 99:1, to that of acoustical issues - that is clearly evidenced, I am progressing towards acoustics, so as a point of fact, you’re challenging me on issues that I have yet to speak too; bypassing the issue to which, I have begun to provide some insight etc...

So back to my main point of direction for you (and others of your type) - take the time to properly read my threads - it's clear that you haven’t and that you're smoking angry (and misinformed)... and anger is the primary product of fear... do I sound angry or amused by you?

If I possess any form of fear at my end, it's not for myself, but concern for those that are waiting for all this to pass, so that we can back on track...

By the way, you’re not fooling anyone with your new name "Diem"

So let's make this official - you are on IGNOR!

dogbaker

Let's make it official –

Anyone that attacks me, or any other member within this thread, which is not to include members who politely asks for additional clarification, etc, will be put on IGNOR, by myself, until such time that t hey become reasonable and respectful, not just towards me, but all others within this thread...

Some light-heart smack talk is fun, but we have gone way past that.

Rant all that you want; I will IGNOR such behaviour - complete silence!

I will not be weakened in my resolve...

Diem

Which is why I pointed out acoustics, right at the beginning.
There's little point in focusing on minutiae when the listening environment is incapable of resolving it.

It's no different than building a 1000 hp engine, when you live in Alaska, and all the roads are ice. Horsepower becomes redundant real quick.

It seems you're favorite pastime is presumption.
I've read your posts.
What is it in particular that you've said that you'd like me to focus on?
I am?
That's news to me.
Should I be angry?
So you say...
About what specifically am I misinformed?
I'll take your word for it.
Sounds like you're an expert on feeling angry and fearful.
Overall, you've seemed quite angry throughout this entire thread. I doubt that I've made any significant impact.
Do you suffer from anxiety?
You're fearful for your disciples? Is that what you're saying?

You're too much...
Thanks for the update.
I was growing tired of your ranting and diatribes.

This is what I do know.

That if you had anything to demonstrate, you'd have demonstrated it, and THEN talking about it. Why are you jerking people around?

You're putting the cart before the horse.

Lots of smoke from you, but no fire.

You have any pictures of systems that you've designed and installed?

Why the suspense?

dogbaker

yaoi - you are on ignor

Diem

That's fine.

You've not demonstrated anything, but your own ego stroking, and a lot of blowing smoke.

Here's an axiom that's apropos to this thread "Those who can....do.... Those who can't....teach"

Why don't you stop telling people what you've done, and can do, and simply show them what you've done, and can do?

Talk is cheap, yanno?...

Lord Huggington

iTrader: (1)

I knew all of that but I think with or without proper imaging I would choose Morels running off a deck and in a stock location over Type-Rs with amps, signal processors, and proper imaging so to me the speaker is the strongest point. It was hypothetical, and I wouldn't just buy high end speakers and not set them up properly. Unless you can get bad speakers to sound like high end ones with a little angling, I'm going to think that high-quality speakers will be the deciding factor of my SQ preferences. Not that it's a lazy attempt at SQ, I was correcting dogbaker when he said a speaker is the weakest point. It changes the sound the most, right?

What is imaging exactly? Hearing the same frequency responses at the listening point from each speaker? I put my head between my front seats and it sounded just as horrible. I've become acustomed to bad imaging.