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12-05-2010, 12:24 AM
#401
0 Watt CAFz'r
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 11
You're mistaken.
You're mistaken.
You're mistaken.
Thanks for that info.
But, I don't care.
And you don't know who I am, and what my expertise is, and what my level of knowledge is.
I can play the enigma game as well.
" Mirror, mirror, on the wall....who's the most unthinking, highly assumptive pugilist that is nothing more than a nuisance?" 
Because I can ignore your wishes.
I wasn't asking you for any favours.
I never made any such claims.
Stop projecting.
You're not the boss of me...
And you don't own this thread. You merely started it.
I doubt agreeing with you is a prerequisite to posting in this thread...
That wasn't my intention when I stated those facts.
Just for clarification, are you disagreeing with my statements?
And which ones?
And possibly been grossly mislead into overspending thousands of dollars, in upgrades, for miniscule gains that will 'brick wall' fast, due to the realities of trying to overcome the atrocities of speakers placed in such a horrible acoustic environment.
There's a very low cutoff for SQ in a car. The point of diminishing returns is abrupt, and very steep.
SPL is a different beast.
You're mistaken.
You're mistaken.
Thanks for that info.
But, I don't care.
And you don't know who I am, and what my expertise is, and what my level of knowledge is.
I can play the enigma game as well.
Stop projecting.
And you don't own this thread. You merely started it.
Just for clarification, are you disagreeing with my statements?
And which ones?
There's a very low cutoff for SQ in a car. The point of diminishing returns is abrupt, and very steep.
SPL is a different beast.
12-05-2010, 01:52 AM
#402
Goalie Man
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 1,412
you have any idea how stupid people are who buy linn amps and wilson audio speakers with air litz3 wire, toshiba hd dvd player.. ect. only to be slightly better than the best sq cars in the world.... dont believe me then go talk with johm myers, or facebook phil petracca. these two cars will rival some of the best home theater systems out there.. i demo at the 2000ces show with merridean and the top sq car there and the differece was minut, but the price difference was huge.. now are we smarter than the average dr. who just walks into a store and plunks down 100k and they set it up in 10 min. while we buy different gear and install it in the worst medium possible and after a yr or two it sounds the fantastic.. so is it a question of ease or money or sq.. because i think i have answered all three for you..
also as a courtesy to dogbaker he did start this thread so he should be the one running it.. its just a courtesy and since we are canadian, its what we do.. cheers.
also as a courtesy to dogbaker he did start this thread so he should be the one running it.. its just a courtesy and since we are canadian, its what we do.. cheers.
12-05-2010, 02:16 AM
#403
50 Watt CAFz'r
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 230
Hi Luke
My bad... I missunderstood you... I won't personally be getting involved in that manner, but I am talking with a manufacturer about the idea.
As sound quality guy I prefer other alignments. I have also been made aware that two people from within this thread are going to pull out their slide rulers and build a prototype for themselves.
I along side many others will be very interested in learning about their results.
My bad... I missunderstood you... I won't personally be getting involved in that manner, but I am talking with a manufacturer about the idea.
As sound quality guy I prefer other alignments. I have also been made aware that two people from within this thread are going to pull out their slide rulers and build a prototype for themselves.
I along side many others will be very interested in learning about their results.
Last edited by dogbaker; 12-05-2010 at 02:43 AM.
12-05-2010, 02:31 AM
#404
50 Watt CAFz'r
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 230
you have any idea how stupid people are who buy linn amps and wilson audio speakers with air litz3 wire, toshiba hd dvd player.. ect. only to be slightly better than the best sq cars in the world.... dont believe me then go talk with johm myers, or facebook phil petracca. these two cars will rival some of the best home theater systems out there.. i demo at the 2000ces show with merridean and the top sq car there and the differece was minut, but the price difference was huge.. now are we smarter than the average dr. who just walks into a store and plunks down 100k and they set it up in 10 min. while we buy different gear and install it in the worst medium possible and after a yr or two it sounds the fantastic.. so is it a question of ease or money or sq.. because i think i have answered all three for you..
also as a courtesy to dogbaker he did start this thread so he should be the one running it.. its just a courtesy and since we are canadian, its what we do.. cheers.
also as a courtesy to dogbaker he did start this thread so he should be the one running it.. its just a courtesy and since we are canadian, its what we do.. cheers.
If your not into SQ or car audio to any measurable degree then perhaps this thread and forum as a whole isn't for you.
Diem, you come off as if you have little to no regard for peoples measurable efforts in reproducing SQ in vehicles. Perhaps you have simply miss-spoke, as it was clear that your anger had notable control over you!?
Last edited by dogbaker; 12-05-2010 at 12:33 PM.
12-05-2010, 02:47 AM
#405
50 Watt CAFz'r
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 230
You're mistaken.
You're mistaken.
You're mistaken.
Thanks for that info.
But, I don't care.
And you don't know who I am, and what my expertise is, and what my level of knowledge is.
I can play the enigma game as well.
" Mirror, mirror, on the wall....who's the most unthinking, highly assumptive pugilist that is nothing more than a nuisance?"
Because I can ignore your wishes.
I wasn't asking you for any favours.
I never made any such claims.
Stop projecting.
You're not the boss of me...
And you don't own this thread. You merely started it.
I doubt agreeing with you is a prerequisite to posting in this thread...
That wasn't my intention when I stated those facts.
Just for clarification, are you disagreeing with my statements?
And which ones?
And possibly been grossly mislead into overspending thousands of dollars, in upgrades, for miniscule gains that will 'brick wall' fast, due to the realities of trying to overcome the atrocities of speakers placed in such a horrible acoustic environment.
There's a very low cutoff for SQ in a car. The point of diminishing returns is abrupt, and very steep.
SPL is a different beast.
You're mistaken.
You're mistaken.
Thanks for that info.
But, I don't care.
And you don't know who I am, and what my expertise is, and what my level of knowledge is.
I can play the enigma game as well.
" Mirror, mirror, on the wall....who's the most unthinking, highly assumptive pugilist that is nothing more than a nuisance?"
Because I can ignore your wishes.
I wasn't asking you for any favours.
I never made any such claims.
Stop projecting.
You're not the boss of me...
And you don't own this thread. You merely started it.
I doubt agreeing with you is a prerequisite to posting in this thread...
That wasn't my intention when I stated those facts.
Just for clarification, are you disagreeing with my statements?
And which ones?
And possibly been grossly mislead into overspending thousands of dollars, in upgrades, for miniscule gains that will 'brick wall' fast, due to the realities of trying to overcome the atrocities of speakers placed in such a horrible acoustic environment.
There's a very low cutoff for SQ in a car. The point of diminishing returns is abrupt, and very steep.
SPL is a different beast.
You are truly pissing against the wind in here...
Father Y. perhaps one of the reasons that car audio is in a slump is due to mindsets such as Diems.
Last edited by dogbaker; 12-05-2010 at 03:00 AM.
12-05-2010, 03:38 AM
#407
50 Watt CAFz'r
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Posts: 230
I am sure that Diem's not alone (just as I'm not alone) - and while I don't agree with his final prognosis, his list of impeding obstacles is a valid one.
Hi-Fi can in fact be achieved in a vehicle for a reasonable some of money (and has hundreds of times), if someone takes it upon themselves to learn how to properly design, build and calibrate their own system, as those three factors are more important then the product and more costly!
That being said,speakers are without question the weakest link, in terms of hardware; so we should spend most of our resources on them, whether in terms of education (anything and everything relating to a speaker), reviewing and auditioning them for use within ones system, enclosure or crossover design, calibration or money.
Hi-Fi can in fact be achieved in a vehicle for a reasonable some of money (and has hundreds of times), if someone takes it upon themselves to learn how to properly design, build and calibrate their own system, as those three factors are more important then the product and more costly!
That being said,speakers are without question the weakest link, in terms of hardware; so we should spend most of our resources on them, whether in terms of education (anything and everything relating to a speaker), reviewing and auditioning them for use within ones system, enclosure or crossover design, calibration or money.
Last edited by dogbaker; 12-05-2010 at 05:12 PM.
12-05-2010, 03:47 AM
#408
50 Watt CAFz'r
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 230
I am signing off for the night...
12-05-2010, 09:36 AM
#409
I disagree. I think any great component set placed anywhere in a vehicle will ***** on any crappy component set that was strategically placed. If a component is the weakest link, it's also the strongest.
The only things you need for incredible SQ is - really awesome component set, adjustable EQ, RMS power, high quality music, and crossovers. If it isn't really awesome SQ, than you bought the wrong components! You shouldn't need all kinds of useless processors, just a damn EQ.
The only things you need for incredible SQ is - really awesome component set, adjustable EQ, RMS power, high quality music, and crossovers. If it isn't really awesome SQ, than you bought the wrong components! You shouldn't need all kinds of useless processors, just a damn EQ.
12-05-2010, 09:56 AM
#410
500 Watt CAFz'r
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 849
I disagree. I think any great component set placed anywhere in a vehicle will ***** on any crappy component set that was strategically placed. If a component is the weakest link, it's also the strongest.
The only things you need for incredible SQ is - really awesome component set, adjustable EQ, RMS power, high quality music, and crossovers. If it isn't really awesome SQ, than you bought the wrong components! You shouldn't need all kinds of useless processors, just a damn EQ.
The only things you need for incredible SQ is - really awesome component set, adjustable EQ, RMS power, high quality music, and crossovers. If it isn't really awesome SQ, than you bought the wrong components! You shouldn't need all kinds of useless processors, just a damn EQ.
Usually slapping your speakers in the stock location isn't the greatest thing to do, You need to find the best location.
Having the greatest components in the world, But installing them in a bad location would be a waste of money, You need to get the best out of speakers becase audio equipment is so expensive.
