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11-15-2010, 08:10 PM
#103
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so you bring out this claim of superior abilities and bigger #'s but when you are challenged to prove your statements this^^^^ is your reply..... you are really starting to look like an over educated book smart retard.
Now while you are thinking up your reply and what names you are going to call me in return.... keep in mind... I dont care.
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I dont doubt you have more technical knowledge then me, hell you may even be able to build a louder / better system then me ( I am not a serious SPL competitor, my preference lies in loud daily systems. Which I think I have accomplished pretty well). But when it comes down to it. the proof is in doing.... not talking. So as has been stated many times in here.... PROVE IT
Now while you are thinking up your reply and what names you are going to call me in return.... keep in mind... I dont care.
...I dont doubt you have more technical knowledge then me, hell you may even be able to build a louder / better system then me ( I am not a serious SPL competitor, my preference lies in loud daily systems. Which I think I have accomplished pretty well). But when it comes down to it. the proof is in doing.... not talking. So as has been stated many times in here.... PROVE IT
11-15-2010, 08:11 PM
#104
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Not likely, as 100 Watt RMS scores are electrical tolerances, that need to weighted against Mechanical scores of Xmax, which is governed by a few things, but predominately and firstly the enclosure and secondly any additional high-pass filtering, via either an active or passive cross-over... Other factors are less important...
So, while most if not all drivers can handle their rated electrical wattages, most cannot handle it mechanically, dependant on your drivers efficiency (88-91dB), reducing your wattage by half will reduce your Xmax between .5 - 1.5 mm, which will have several SQ benefits - several - provided that you don't bump up the bass eq to much!
And as for output you will only lose around 3dB - not a big deal in SQ or in decent quality full range systems!
I hope that helped!
Last edited by dogbaker; 11-15-2010 at 08:21 PM.
11-15-2010, 08:17 PM
#105
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so you bring out this claim of superior abilities and bigger #'s but when you are challenged to prove your statements this^^^^ is your reply..... you are really starting to look like an over educated book smart retard.
Now while you are thinking up your reply and what names you are going to call me in return.... keep in mind... I dont care....
I dont doubt you have more technical knowledge then me, hell you may even be able to build a louder / better system then me ( I am not a serious SPL competitor, my preference lies in loud daily systems. Which I think I have accomplished pretty well). But when it comes down to it. the proof is in doing.... not talking. So as has been stated many times in here.... PROVE IT
Now while you are thinking up your reply and what names you are going to call me in return.... keep in mind... I dont care.
...I dont doubt you have more technical knowledge then me, hell you may even be able to build a louder / better system then me ( I am not a serious SPL competitor, my preference lies in loud daily systems. Which I think I have accomplished pretty well). But when it comes down to it. the proof is in doing.... not talking. So as has been stated many times in here.... PROVE IT
I on the other hand $$$, $$$.$$
I would love to crush you but it would cost me to much time and I would lose money, proving to you, what everyone else already knows - you’re a retard!
Now take your bruised ego and find a $20.00 street walker to make you fill better about yourself... If you can't afford it - I'll spot you the cash!
That's the least I can do...
By the way, I can do this forever....
Your turn - LOL!
11-15-2010, 08:17 PM
#106
well I changed my language from spl to loud, I just want it to sound good while putting up a decent number if I have to prove myself in the lanes. although, I find it hard to believe that something sounds loud and puts up a low number, just like I find it hard to believe someone sounds quiet and puts up a huge number. but if it is possible, please, help me out. its 4 12''s in a 98 grand caravan, back seats are out.
P.S. I think SPL represents more than you think. Take a look at the number of people with aftermarket additions in their vehicle's audio equipment. more than half are probably young guys who buy stuff from big box stores or read up about this stuff online with the sole intention of "being loud" or "shakin ". thats what impresses them, even though to an "audiophile" it probably sounds like trash. what those guys don't know is they're impressed by the SPL of a song, not a test tone.
P.P.S. that minority attitude sounds racist
Brother go @#$% off to an SPL thread, this is a tread for SQ - I have tolerated your - now move on...
Building a one note generator is easier then building a multitone hi fi system by a factor of at least 10x...
SPL Market place represnets less then 1% of total consumer spending in our industry - in other words you represnt a minority voice - so go hang out with you own kind...
This tread is for audiophiles, not bass heads...
Over and out!
Building a one note generator is easier then building a multitone hi fi system by a factor of at least 10x...
SPL Market place represnets less then 1% of total consumer spending in our industry - in other words you represnt a minority voice - so go hang out with you own kind...
This tread is for audiophiles, not bass heads...
Over and out!
P.P.S. that minority attitude sounds racist
11-15-2010, 09:00 PM
#108
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kevmurray
Wow, where to begin. Though you may have access to a network analyzer and are able to measure the differences in cables, it is just plain irresponsible to use this as "evidence" in the audio realm. Transmission line parameters are largely useless in the audio world as the frequency is not high enough to make any difference. While things like skin effect and LCR losses are measurable in the audible band, unless the cables are ridiculously long or light no one could hear the loss.
To say that the speaker cable's contribution to overall phase shift is "profound" is laughable. While the dielectric constant of speaker wire may not support transmission at light speed it is plenty fast enough to make path differences of over a hundred feet negligible in terms of phase. The resistive losses may be significant but to say that the phase shift is perceptible is a joke. Furthermore phase, group delay and other colourations "in the pico range" are swamped by the total system THD+N.
Your posts contain so much inflated evidence, exaggerated statements, and obvious elitism that I don't know why I even bothered to respond. Clearly I should be thankful you are here to school us.
BTW: The garden hose analogy was not mine.
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Keven
If your up to it...
I'll take each point to math - do you have and engineering degree, I ask because it will determine the completness of each moth model etc...
Also, please don't miss-quote me... I didn't say that time smears in cables are always audiable, but that sometimes they are, when you have a trained ear and know what is missing etc... I did say that they can be ojectively measure and are daily... Using gear beyond that of a traditionl cable network tester...
But what I did say that amplifiers, preamps and speaker - espically speakers produce very audiable time smears and when the enitr system is interconnect with cables they unify to produce a and average of time errors...
I know I typed a lot, but it's important that if you're going to attack me on a point - that it be a point that I actually made.
This is the second time that you have miss-quoted or miss-understood the context of my comments...
Anyway - if I put forth the effort, will you still argue the math?
Oh by the way - I almost missed your reply - please reply to me in my tread - I won't becoming back here.. Thanks
Originally Posted by kevmurray
Wow, where to begin. Though you may have access to a network analyzer and are able to measure the differences in cables, it is just plain irresponsible to use this as "evidence" in the audio realm. Transmission line parameters are largely useless in the audio world as the frequency is not high enough to make any difference. While things like skin effect and LCR losses are measurable in the audible band, unless the cables are ridiculously long or light no one could hear the loss.
To say that the speaker cable's contribution to overall phase shift is "profound" is laughable. While the dielectric constant of speaker wire may not support transmission at light speed it is plenty fast enough to make path differences of over a hundred feet negligible in terms of phase. The resistive losses may be significant but to say that the phase shift is perceptible is a joke. Furthermore phase, group delay and other colourations "in the pico range" are swamped by the total system THD+N.
Your posts contain so much inflated evidence, exaggerated statements, and obvious elitism that I don't know why I even bothered to respond. Clearly I should be thankful you are here to school us.
BTW: The garden hose analogy was not mine.
__________________________________________________ ____
Keven
If your up to it...
I'll take each point to math - do you have and engineering degree, I ask because it will determine the completness of each moth model etc...
Also, please don't miss-quote me... I didn't say that time smears in cables are always audiable, but that sometimes they are, when you have a trained ear and know what is missing etc... I did say that they can be ojectively measure and are daily... Using gear beyond that of a traditionl cable network tester...
But what I did say that amplifiers, preamps and speaker - espically speakers produce very audiable time smears and when the enitr system is interconnect with cables they unify to produce a and average of time errors...
I know I typed a lot, but it's important that if you're going to attack me on a point - that it be a point that I actually made.
This is the second time that you have miss-quoted or miss-understood the context of my comments...
Anyway - if I put forth the effort, will you still argue the math?
Oh by the way - I almost missed your reply - please reply to me in my tread - I won't becoming back here.. Thanks
Last edited by dogbaker; 11-15-2010 at 09:23 PM.
11-15-2010, 09:02 PM
#109
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well I changed my language from spl to loud, I just want it to sound good while putting up a decent number if I have to prove myself in the lanes. although, I find it hard to believe that something sounds loud and puts up a low number, just like I find it hard to believe someone sounds quiet and puts up a huge number. but if it is possible, please, help me out. its 4 12''s in a 98 grand caravan, back seats are out.
P.S. I think SPL represents more than you think. Take a look at the number of people with aftermarket additions in their vehicle's audio equipment. more than half are probably young guys who buy stuff from big box stores or read up about this stuff online with the sole intention of "being loud" or "shakin ". thats what impresses them, even though to an "audiophile" it probably sounds like trash. what those guys don't know is they're impressed by the SPL of a song, not a test tone.
P.P.S. that minority attitude sounds racist
P.S. I think SPL represents more than you think. Take a look at the number of people with aftermarket additions in their vehicle's audio equipment. more than half are probably young guys who buy stuff from big box stores or read up about this stuff online with the sole intention of "being loud" or "shakin ". thats what impresses them, even though to an "audiophile" it probably sounds like trash. what those guys don't know is they're impressed by the SPL of a song, not a test tone.
P.P.S. that minority attitude sounds racist
11-15-2010, 09:03 PM
#110
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well I changed my language from spl to loud, I just want it to sound good while putting up a decent number if I have to prove myself in the lanes. although, I find it hard to believe that something sounds loud and puts up a low number, just like I find it hard to believe someone sounds quiet and puts up a huge number. but if it is possible, please, help me out. its 4 12''s in a 98 grand caravan, back seats are out.
P.S. I think SPL represents more than you think. Take a look at the number of people with aftermarket additions in their vehicle's audio equipment. more than half are probably young guys who buy stuff from big box stores or read up about this stuff online with the sole intention of "being loud" or "shakin ". thats what impresses them, even though to an "audiophile" it probably sounds like trash. what those guys don't know is they're impressed by the SPL of a song, not a test tone.
P.P.S. that minority attitude sounds racist
P.S. I think SPL represents more than you think. Take a look at the number of people with aftermarket additions in their vehicle's audio equipment. more than half are probably young guys who buy stuff from big box stores or read up about this stuff online with the sole intention of "being loud" or "shakin ". thats what impresses them, even though to an "audiophile" it probably sounds like trash. what those guys don't know is they're impressed by the SPL of a song, not a test tone.
P.P.S. that minority attitude sounds racist
