Truth in wattage ratings for audio equipment petition
02-04-2009, 06:31 PM
#21
Actually I'll be back at CT Auto.....Lee is completely booked Saturday and has been since I asked him Monday....
I was going to bring some of my tools up with me....hopefully including the ones we'll need to do the wiring upgrades......
I was going to bring some of my tools up with me....hopefully including the ones we'll need to do the wiring upgrades......
02-04-2009, 07:46 PM
#24
Allright, I deal with customers in a specialized car stereo shop on daily basis and I majorly preach aducation over marketing...so I wil throw in my nickle and probably get back a looney here.
I'm all for standardization for audio equipment. Whether it be peak, pimPO, Dynamic power, RMS it doesn't matter which format is actually used as long as all equipment is rated on the same basis.
4 out 5 clients cannot seem to ever get their heads around peak wattage vs rms vs the fact that wattage i VERY unimportant as far as statistics go. I will often take my time explaining this to customers and use various equipment in the demo room to show them what I'm talking about. Like using a 1200watt pioneer amp to power a 1200watt pioneer sub in a sealed box. then using our 300wrms infinity amp on a 250Wrms sub in a good ported box and they suddenly get really confused as to why the lower number stuff sounds better and plays way louder.
In SPL and competition power ratings and use become etremely important and knowledge ca be a very good advantage over equipment. For the general population who just wanna listen to bad MP3's and burnt CD's or their iPods, it's a different ballgame. As an installer/salesguy it's SOOO hard getting people to believe that the $300 Focals rated at 80 watts are 100X better than the "Quest" 360watt speakers that we sell to deaf truckers.
IMO wattage for 95% of the people out there is the LEAST important but most focused on spec there is.
Big manfacturers will sadly..never ever stop using peak ratings because they know that sales will take a really big dump due to the fact that people focus way too much on watts due to a completel lack of understanding and the fact that wattge has been the biggest most used marketting tool in audio since Jensen(the scientist, not the flea market brand) invented the modern louspeaker.
the CEA ratigns are always just a small box in the same color print as the packaging on an amplifier and the peak wattage is still the bog bold white numbes you see taking up half the cover of the packaging.
As much as anyone can try, it is sadly a futile effort unless 95% of the people out there suddenly stop being ignorant to the truth and keep believing marketting
I'm all for standardization for audio equipment. Whether it be peak, pimPO, Dynamic power, RMS it doesn't matter which format is actually used as long as all equipment is rated on the same basis.
4 out 5 clients cannot seem to ever get their heads around peak wattage vs rms vs the fact that wattage i VERY unimportant as far as statistics go. I will often take my time explaining this to customers and use various equipment in the demo room to show them what I'm talking about. Like using a 1200watt pioneer amp to power a 1200watt pioneer sub in a sealed box. then using our 300wrms infinity amp on a 250Wrms sub in a good ported box and they suddenly get really confused as to why the lower number stuff sounds better and plays way louder.
In SPL and competition power ratings and use become etremely important and knowledge ca be a very good advantage over equipment. For the general population who just wanna listen to bad MP3's and burnt CD's or their iPods, it's a different ballgame. As an installer/salesguy it's SOOO hard getting people to believe that the $300 Focals rated at 80 watts are 100X better than the "Quest" 360watt speakers that we sell to deaf truckers.
IMO wattage for 95% of the people out there is the LEAST important but most focused on spec there is.
Big manfacturers will sadly..never ever stop using peak ratings because they know that sales will take a really big dump due to the fact that people focus way too much on watts due to a completel lack of understanding and the fact that wattge has been the biggest most used marketting tool in audio since Jensen(the scientist, not the flea market brand) invented the modern louspeaker.
the CEA ratigns are always just a small box in the same color print as the packaging on an amplifier and the peak wattage is still the bog bold white numbes you see taking up half the cover of the packaging.
As much as anyone can try, it is sadly a futile effort unless 95% of the people out there suddenly stop being ignorant to the truth and keep believing marketting
02-04-2009, 08:26 PM
#26
even with amps for the majority of the population.. the won't ever tell the difference between a 4X100Wrms amp or a 4X45Wrms amp if both are quality amplifiers. for components and midrange speakers it's a half step next to useless as far as ratings go.
02-04-2009, 09:28 PM
#28
02-04-2009, 09:37 PM
#29
Very nice discussion!
Actually there are some standards, but the factory decides if will follow or not.
Examples: old DIN, EIA, IEC, some are a bit strange, using as signal pink noise or filter weighted pink noise
The newer is CEA-2006-A (mobile audio amps), I just bought and we will have CEA ratings for all line.
Actually there are some standards, but the factory decides if will follow or not.
Examples: old DIN, EIA, IEC, some are a bit strange, using as signal pink noise or filter weighted pink noise
The newer is CEA-2006-A (mobile audio amps), I just bought and we will have CEA ratings for all line.
02-04-2009, 10:45 PM
#30
50 Watt CAFz'r
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 123
tis is very good and yes i also think it is bs and its very true that like futureshop try to sell you the most exspensive stuff they have hell i went in there to day and said what do you have for mono blocks and he was like o ya we have three and this one is your best beat and it was like 400 bucks and like 1500watts or something and he is like that is rms and in fin print it said 500watts rms 1500w peck and i was just thinking to my self what a joke they are way over priced in my opion thats just my 2 cents
